In my heart believe 99.99% of you people are good hearted people. Don't let this election turn you into something you are not.

thank you

It's more like thinking their way to think is the only way to think. Seeing trolls in every diary that doesn't agree with you is just a form of narrow-mindedness by another name.

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...I'm appalled to see the level of immaturity here and wonder how you conduct yourself in real life and in your jobs.  You can slap each other on the back for stooping to the level of the very diarist you love to complain about...

We share our wisdom with those who seek it. It's a life of quiet dignity.

Welcome to the big leagues, grasshopper.

Well, as for bringing down the calibre of bloggers and reputation of MyDD, that's a painful issue, as anyone still left here from the beginning of the primary will undoubtedly attest.  I am not going to touch that one.

But as for ignoring the diaries one deplores, that raises an issue of just what proportion of this site's 'bandwidth' is dedicated to knocking the presumptive nominee, and to what degree.  Is there grey area here, of course.  Is there a limit, however, to the amount of nominee bashing which is healthy or appropriate?  Equally obvious.  Having not watched the parade of diaries and the pantheon of personalities who have made MyDD a platform for anti-Obama polemics since around this time last year, reaching a crescendo as the primary elections began, perhaps you don't sympathise with the intolerance which is now shown to these attempts.  Check out the Trusted User Guidelines:

This is a great responsibility for you. It means you've earned the right to peer-review content from untrusted users, and determine if it is spam. We rely on you to rate as much as you can, and to keep the comments as high-signal as we've all come to expect.

Hmmm...  Admittedly open to interpretation, but still...  'high-signal' to me does not include repeated, Right-wing talking points posing as 'concern.'  Especially diaries of same.  There is also this part of the MyDD 'mission statement' to consider:

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

While I will admit this is open to a wide latitude of interpretation, there are limits.  And I have been a little surprised at the tolerance for repeated, almost incessant, criticism of the nominee and, for that matter, his supporters which seems to emanate from a small but extremely active circle of posters, particularly diary authors, who seem intent on using MyDD's relatively high search-engine ratings to promote notions which seem counter-productive to the aspirations of the majority of 'progressives' if not Democrats.

I live in Wisconsin--that's going to be hard!

Joking aside, is it true that you are the blogger formerly known as aliveandkickin?

And I have been a little surprised at the tolerance for repeated, almost incessant, criticism of the nominee

OMGGG  Foxy lady you are sooo WRIGHT!!  Anytime anyone with smarts like engels rankles or jacob freeze comes on here and tells everyone how OBAMA is really a bad guy and how the superdelegates should do the will of Appalachian voters and make Hillary president or else we vote for McCain, we get called trolls.  By the way in case anyone accuses me of not being a good member of Democrat party, I'm voting for Obama, even though McCain is a war hero. LOLOLOL

Ok, I'll take your challenge. I will go one week ignoring this diary as soon as I post this comment.

....to "ignore" obvious troll diaries,  I keep having conflicts within myself.  As Mr. Appleby has already pointed out, Mydd is a self-monitoring site and relies on TU's to "take out the trash."  It would also be naive to not mention that a majority of the members here are spectators only.  We must make sure we do our best to provide these members with pertinent information and call-out right wing memes when we see them, IMO.  

I take your challenge, if you take mine- don't say anything that can be interpreted as complete ignorance for one week.  Shit, I'll give you a dollar if you can do it for a day.

that first one must read the increasing amount of anti-Democrat propaganda that makes its way to any site. What else can they do? There aren't even any numbers in McCains ridiculous economic proposals. What else can they do but create hysteria over what has to be bruising humiliation. The RNC's latest "battleground" state ads don't even mention the Republican Party. They don't even tell the truth. I don't care what McCain or any Republican says because their ideas and their policies have led us to bankruptcy. Republican policies have not even benefitted the people who voted them into power. Millions of people now no longer even call themselves Republicans. It's really quite simple. They need to be voted out.  Frankly, I think Republicans should pay the country for their mistakes, but we know that is not going to happen. It's very simple. Vote for Democrats. The suffering will be less. We'll be able to clean up some of the mess. Republicans tried. They failed.

So now we have troll 'freedom-of-speech' meta-diaries on top of the recommended list?  Crikey.  

If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.

Tweedledum - Through the Looking Glass

Don't be a "don't be troll".

If this were just a difference of opinion I'd be fine ignoring your posts. But it isn't a matter of opinion, you are LYING about Obama's positions. You view on his positions are misleading and wrong.

John Kerry was brought down because he failed to answer the mischaracterizations and lies about his record, thank goodness Obama is answering all these lies head on.

Nice try, but no one here will let you have a soap box to spread your slanderous views unopposed.  

1. it has been my experience in fifty some years on this earth that when someone labels you "immature" they are attempting to shame you into silence because they can't win their argument any other way.  

2. As stated repeatedly above, this is a progressive site dedicated in large part to seeing Democrats elected.   As McCaiin stands foursquare against progressive values, one purpose of this site would be to vigorously critique JOHN MCCAIN and further the cause of electing Barack Obama.

3. One should expect two things on this site -- if you offer informed critique of the Democratic nominee with facts and personal opinions, expect to get factual and opinionated pushback -- if you smear that nominee expect to be pounced upon as a GOP operative without mercy.

4. Acceptable critique of Obama would delve into his positions and decisions in an informed and substantive manner.  Unacceptable smears would include all degenerative labels, such as liar, flip-flopper, empty suit, manipulator, only interested in being elected and other personal attacks on the character.

5. The parroting of GOP talking points and smears should always be unacceptable within a community of progressive Democrats.  Potshot references to Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Kool-aid, hero worship, comparisons of Obama to George Bush or Hitler, terms like Obamaton will be interpretted as intended only to advance a GOP agenda.

6. There are any number of sites on the internet that either promote the election of John McCain or foster ugly unsubstantive critique of Obama.  There is no need to express such opinions here.         As such, this is not an issue of censorship or shutting down "dissent".  It's a matter of chosing the appropriate place to voice one's dissent.
I would not expect to walk into a PETA and begin publically kickign a dog without raising the ire of everyone there and being shown the door.

I have politely asked a number of such "dissentors" their rationale for coming to this site -- inarguably dedicated to the election of a Democratic president -- and recieved no response.  If anything, this site and its contributors have been overly polite and tolerant of those who come here with no other expressed purpose but to tear down the party's nominee.

If your purpose is to spread division, smears and lies -- if you are unwilling to engage in thoughtful discussion in the hopes of being talked through your issues with Obama -- if your intent appears to be only to parrot GOP smears and personally attack supporters of the party's nominee -- don't expect to be handed a forum in which to do it.

If you and your many sockpuppets -- in direct violation of the forum rules -- repeatedly uprate smear diaries, mass troll-rate those who disagree with you, engage in personal attacks and unsubstantiated hyperbole -- and then expect to shame the legitimate users of this site into silence, well, good luck with that.

Just a dumb question here.

On other forums that I belong to, we don't have this sockpuppet problem that you all seem to be worrying about.  When we ban somebody, we install their IP address in the Troll Catcher and the Troll Catcher autobans any prospective users from that IP.  

Granted, there are ways to circumvent this, but most trolls don't bother.

Why do you have such a problem?

Also, I am surprised that the site allows you to waste bandwidth posting annoying pictures rather than just reporting the troll to the site administrators via PM.

Disagree with a commenter or diarist.  Prove them wrong.  But these silly pictures and LOLZZ comments make the site annoying to read and drive the general public away.

To assume someone is a troll because they don't care for a particular candidate is ridiculous. Isn't that what this is all about? The troll accusation is always pointed at those who don't care for Obama.

So basically you're advocating ignoring a diary and if that doesn't work, privately emailing the site administrator to get rid of the diary. What's the difference? In the end the outcome is the same.

If this is a Democratic site meant to promote Democratic platforms and positions, how about actually doing so and being consistent?

Throughout Bush's terms as president, Democrats and liberals have been hollering about the degradation of civil rights, about the dictatorial nature of the Bush Admin., ie: requiring loyalty oaths; scripted audiences; firing, intimidating and threatening people who don't tell Bush what he wants to hear or citizens who publicly criticize Bush; supporters of Bush calling people who criticize him (as a person too - dimwitted, stupid, in other words, personal smears)America haters/traitors; quashing dissent (the latest being the revelations about Cheney trying to quash testimony about global warming); begging Republican whistle-blowers to speak up about what they know, etc.

Yet they are, insisting now that only good things may be said of Obama, quashing dissent with personal attacks, not caring about Obama being held to the standards HE put forth...

Caring only about winning,and of course this all after they bashed the hell out of another Democrat in order to secure the nomination for Obama.

Who supposedly was/is the candidate of PRINCIPLES!

And that is the irony here.

I don't like it when we hire new people and they tell us what we are doing wrong a week after they start.    It is possible their conclusions are correct but it is condescending and counterproductive to point out problems when you don't know the history of the issue. &nbs